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This is our podcast where we analyze TV. We love to dive deep into our favorite shows and analyze them. Instead of episode by episode recaps, we split it up by topic, so we can explore themes that stretch across an entire season or series. Deep dives are usually posted on Thursdays.

On Tuesdays, we host a weekly TV Roundup where we chat about what we watched that week and do spoiler-free previews.

Rick and Morty

Rick and Morty

Rick and Morty S3 Episodes 1-7 Check-In

Monday September 18, 2017 | Download episode

The Ricklantis Mixup, dropped a huge bomb on us, so we figured this was a good time to discuss the show. We'll discuss themes and ideas across season 3 so far, from episode 1 through episode 7.

We wonder if Rick really does care about Morty (1:06) and debate the Original Morty fan theory (7:35). We examine what the show thinks about heroes and villains (11:56). We then discuss what it means to be mentally healthy (17:58) and compare how dark this season is compared to previous seasons (23:56). Finally, we talk about the Citadel and look ahead to the final episodes (29:09).

Black Mirror

Black Mirror

TV Roundup - The Deuce, The Good Place, Mr. Robot, Bojack Horseman, Black Mirror, You're the Worst

Saturday September 2, 2017 | Download episode

Need a show to watch after Game of Thrones? We, in a spoiler-free fashion, discuss some of the shows we're most excited about for this fall — some returning, some new. If you're looking for something gritty, try The Deuce (1:12). If you want a fun sitcom, binge The Good Place (6:06). If you crave excitement and fan theories, give Mr. Robot a go (12:05). If you want something emotional, weird, and hilarious, you want to watch Bojack Horseman (16:35). If you want sci-fi dystopia in standalone episodes, watch Black Mirror (20:37). If you want something cruel but funny and romantic, watch You're the Worst (26:16).

Game of Thrones

Game of Thrones

Game of Thrones - Episode 707 The Dragon and the Wolf - Deep Dive

Tuesday August 29, 2017 | Download episode

We go deep into Game of Thrones season 7 episode 7, The Dragon and the Wolf. At Winterfell, we mourn/celebrate the end of Littlefinger's latest scheme (0:58) and clarify Bran's powers (6:50). At King's Landing, we discuss the Dragon Pit meeting (10:44) and the Lannister reunion (17:00). We also continue our in-depth coverage of Jonerys (21:45)... or is it Aegonerys? Finally, we talk about The Wall and what's next (34:28).

The OA

The OA

The OA - Ending Explained

Friday August 25, 2017 | Download episode

So you've finished The OA... What was that ending? What really happened? Jason and Shawn parse through it, debating the relative merits of more mystical and less mystical interpretations. Has The OA been telling the truth or not? What powers do the movements have? We give our take on what really happened at the end, based on evidence from the entire season.

Game of Thrones

Game of Thrones

Game of Thrones Episode 706 Beyond the Wall Deep Dive

Tuesday August 22, 2017 | Download episode

We go deep into Game of Thrones season 7 episode 6, Beyond the Wall. Despite all the action, our favorite moments were actually the conversations between the Magnificent 7 (0:48). After discussing that, we mourn Viserion (9:51) and speculate about his new abilities. We follow up on shipping Jonerys (17:52) and debate whether or not Dany can break the wheel (21:01). Shawn then debunks the dumb Bran is the Night King theory (25:46), while Jason tries to give the writers the benefit of the doubt with the Arya / Sansa drama (31:43). Finally, we make some wild guesses about what will happen in King's Landing for the finale (40:29).

Ozark

Ozark

Planet of the Apps

Planet of the Apps

TV Roundup - Apple & Netflix news, Ozark revisited, Planet of the Apps

Friday August 18, 2017 | Download episode

This week's TV roundup (and future TV roundups) will be spoiler-free. We talk about some big news in streaming, including Apple's $1B spend on TV content (1:48) and Netflix's recent deals with Shonda Rhimes and Millarworld (3:05) and the implications for the future of streaming (13:15). Then, Jason revises his opinion on Ozark (16:24) after being convinced to give it another shot. Finally, we give some hot takes about the first episode of Planet of the Apps (20:34).

Game of Thrones

Game of Thrones

Game of Thrones Episode 705 Eastwatch Deep Dive

Tuesday August 15, 2017 | Download episode

We're spinning off our Game of Thrones coverage from the TV Roundup into their own podcast episodes. We try to focus on the themes and characters, not play-by-play recaps, while still keeping it funny. In this episode, we go deep into Game of Thrones Episode 705 Eastwatch. We discuss Gilly's big discovery (10:02), the note Arya finds (15:20), Tyrion and Jaime's reunion (22:25), Dany as villain (26:38), Cersei's pregnancy (28:55), where Sam is going (31:48), and predictions for the Magnificent 7 (33:30).

Black Mirror

Black Mirror

Black Mirror and VR / AR

Thursday August 10, 2017 | Download episode

We continue our Black Mirror deep dive, this time with a focus on Virtual Reality and Augmented Reality. We discuss the tech and related themes by examining three season 3 episodes: Playtest, Men Against Fire, and San Junipero. As always with our deep dives, this is spoiler-filled, so make sure you've watched all three episodes before listening. We explore the concept of reality, how close Black Mirror VR/AR tech is to real-life, empathy, Black Mirror's relationship with the Twilight Zone, and living forever, among other topics.

Timestamps:

- 1:38 - Questioning reality, Twilight Zone
- 7:10 - Playtest, VR and the horror genre, subverting expectations
- 12:45 - Machine learning fears, poking holes in the tech
- 15:00 - What didn't work in Playtest: time compression, the last twist
- 18:04 - Men Against Fire, the believability of AR tech and military exploitation of it
- 20:39 - VR/AR tech inhibiting/enhancing empathy
- 24:21 - San Junipero, VR and medicine
- 26:42 - Happy endings, living forever

Comrade Detective

Comrade Detective

Game of Thrones

Game of Thrones

Ozark

Ozark

Room 104

Room 104

TV Roundup - Game of Thrones, Ozark, Room 104, Comrade Detective

Tuesday August 8, 2017 | Download episode

We talk Game of Thrones once again, going into episode 4, The Spoils of War. Does it crack our Top 10 Game of Thrones episodes? We're all in on shipping Dany and Jon, but worry it's being laid on a little too thick. We also discuss Littlefinger and speculate about who's getting stabbed with the dagger. Then, we admire the "Loot Train" battle, and Shawn reveals his Loot Train MVP. We also talk about food supplies, or the lack thereof, for the long winter, and whether Dany did a little too much burnination. Finally, we make our guesses about what will happen next, focusing on the fate of Jaime and a potential Bronn bro-off with Tyrion.

Then, we preview some new shows. Jason is intrigued by Room 104, the Duplass Brother's new anthology on HBO, and unimpressed by Netflix's Ozark, a Breaking Bad-esque drama starring Jason Bateman. But we're both all-in on the wonderfully bizarre Comrade Detective, a fake 80s pro-Communist Romanian detective show featuring the voice of Channing Tatum.

Timestamps:
1:53 - Game of Thrones
26:07 - Room 104
29:58 - Ozark
34:17 - Comrade Detective

Show notes:
Channing Tatum Comrade Detective interview: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a3expg/channing-tatum-told-us-about-comrade-detective-the-weirdest-show-of-2017

Black Mirror

Black Mirror

Black Mirror and Social Media

Friday August 4, 2017 | Download episode

We examine social media in the world of Black Mirror, where it gets it right and where it doesn't quite capture our own experiences. This theme is explored specifically through two episodes: Nosedive and Most Hated in the Nation. This is a spoiler-filled deep dive, so make sure you've watched those episodes before listening to this episode. We won't spoil any other episodes, though.

Timestamps:
— 0:43 - Episode recaps and major themes
— 1:44 - Nosedive's realism: the perks of being an influencer, China's social credit system, US analogues
— 5:20 - Most Hated's realism: Online voting systems, Twitch Plays Pokemon, the real-world violence of online abuse
— 9:21 - Asynchronous rating: Avoiding social conflict, Yelp's non-realtime ratings, rating extortion
— 12:23 - 5 star systems: the meaning of a 4, the 1/5 binary
— 13:39 - Social hacking, bots, selling likes, the role of money and existing privilege
— 17:15 - Ad-tech, who owns the system
— 19:40 - Praising Black Mirror's world-building

Game of Thrones

Game of Thrones

Rick and Morty

Rick and Morty

The Defiant Ones

The Defiant Ones

TV Roundup - Game of Thrones, Rick and Morty, The Defiant Ones

Tuesday August 1, 2017 | Download episode

Game of Thrones S7 episode 3 (The Queen's Justice): The return of Bronn! Well, kinda. A big chunk of this episode is devoted to talking about two major themes. First is children and their parents' legacies, discussing Ned/Jon, Twyin/Cersei, and Mad King/Daenerys. Second is the role of information — who knows what and how this affects war and characters' future moves. Other topics we cover are: Jon/Dany shipping, who will ride a dragon, Tyrion's poor win-loss record, and why are Jorah and Theon still alive.

We also discuss the return of Rick and Morty. We debate how dark it is so far, especially with the divorce. Then, we go super pretentious and connect Rick and Morty to existentialism, secular humanism, and modernity.

Jason watched The Defiant Ones, the new Dr. Dre and Jimmy Iovine documentary on HBO. He gives us a quick summary and tells us who would find it worth watching.

Timestamps:
— 00:43 - Game of Thrones
— 32:23 - Rick and Morty
— 39:38 - The Defiant Ones

GLOW

GLOW

GLOW - Ruth as Protagonist

Saturday July 29, 2017 | Download episode

This episode is a deep dive into Ruth as protagonist. It's less a character summary and more a conversation about why she's our window into the world of wrestling. We then discuss alternative protagonists, including Carmen (Machu Pichu), Debbie (Liberty Belle), Cherry, Tammé (Welfare Queen), and Rhonda (Britannica). The show does a good job developing the characters, sometimes with small details you may not have noticed, but what would it mean to center these characters?

Timestamps:
— 0:40 - Ruth's journey from feeling insignificant to feeling in control (via wrestling)
— 4:30 - Powerful roles and body autonomy
— 9:15 - Ruth in charge at the end (Ruth vs Cherry)
— 12:14 - Fish out of water narrative (Ruth vs Debbie and Machu Pichu)
— 18:43 - Rhonda (Britannica), Tammé (Welfare Queen), and others as protagonists

Show notes:
The female intros twitter account mentioned at 5:16: https://twitter.com/femscriptintros

Friends from College

Friends from College

Game of Thrones

Game of Thrones

Insecure

Insecure

TV Roundup - Game of Thrones, Friends from College, Insecure

Monday July 24, 2017 | Download episode

HOT PIE!!! We go all out on Game of Thrones S7 episode 2, Stormborn. We follow up on last week's discussions — Euron's Gift, how to kill a dragon, and Sansa vs. John — with the new information from episode two. We also discuss how Arya's becoming more human, speculate about Littlefinger's future schemes (along with the theme of getting beaten up by Starks), talk about the big meeting on Dragonstone, and think about what we're looking forward to in the next episode.

After binge-watching Friends from College, Jason gives his general thoughts, and we also discuss unlikable characters on other sitcoms.

Shawn convinces Jason to jump into Insecure season 2 and he likes it. We go into modern dating (comparing it to Master of None), the show's unique portrayal of awkwardness, and the ways it shows the interior thoughts of the main character.

Timestamps:
— 00:20 - Game of Thrones
— 33:45 - Friends from College
— 39:56 - Insecure

Show notes:
The Vulture Insecure recap: http://www.vulture.com/2017/07/insecure-season-2-premiere-recap.html

Candy Crush

Candy Crush

Chopped Junior

Chopped Junior

Game of Thrones

Game of Thrones

Twin Peaks

Twin Peaks

TV Roundup - Game of Thrones, Twin Peaks, Chopped Junior, Candy Crush

Wednesday July 19, 2017 | Download episode

Game of Thrones is back! *spoilers* We have a heated debate over whether Jon Snow or Sansa was right about the Umbers and Karstarks. Then, we speculate about Euron's gift and killing dragons. We also discuss the theme of subverting fantasy tropes and whether the good guys' winning streak has gone on too long.

After covering Game of Thrones, we talk about the influence of Twin Peaks season 1. We also look at Chopped Junior and note how the kids are so darned nice, and then we talk about the fact that a Candy Crush TV show exists.

Timestamps:
— 00:10 - Game of Thrones Season 7 Episode 1 Dragonstone, Jon Snow vs Sansa, Euron's gift, How to fight a dragon, Fantasy tropes
— 25:45 - Twin Peaks, Season 1, its influence
— 35:50 - Chopped Junior, how cooperative and nice kids are
— 39:31 - Candy Crush the TV show

Show notes:
Vulture article that also speculates about Euron's gift: http://www.vulture.com/2017/07/game-of-thrones-season-7-premiere-questions.html

Castlevania

Castlevania

Fargo

Fargo

Snowfall

Snowfall

Twin Peaks

Twin Peaks

TV Roundup - Emmy nominations, Castlevania, Fargo, Snowfall, Twin Peaks

Friday July 14, 2017 | Download episode

We give our reactions to the Emmy nominations, including some hot hot takes. Then, we talk about what shows we've been watching. Jason makes his case for Castlevania to a skeptical Shawn, and then talks about Fargo, Snowfall (just the pilot), and Twin Peaks.

Timestamps:
— 0:14 - Emmy nominations, reactions and hot takes
— 17:42 - Castlevania, it’s actually okay
— 19:50 - Binging Fargo
— 28:29 - Snowfall, first episode
— 30:58 - Twin Peaks, watching the original pilot
— 33:49 - What shows we’re looking forward to, #WinterIsHere and Insecure

Show notes:
Peak TV article we mention during Emmy discussion:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/bastard-machine/tim-goodman-post-review-post-premiere-post-finale-world-peak-tv-1018510

GLOW

GLOW

GLOW - Comparing the Documentary and the Netflix Original Series

Thursday July 13, 2017 | Download episode

GLOW: The Story of the Gorgeous Ladies of Wrestling is a documentary about the real life GLOW tv show from the 80s. Netflix's original series GLOW was inspired by this documentary. After watching both the documentary and the Netflix series, we talk about how real-life events and real characters were seen on the Netflix series, and then talk about the wrestling industry (injuries and stereotypes) and what things we'd like to see in future GLOW seasons.

Timestamps:
— 0:40 - Story of how creators watched documentary and GLOW TV series origin
— 1:50 - Real life anecdotes pulled from documentary and put into the TV series
— 4:00 - Comparing wrestling characters in series and documentary
— 12:32 - The production side of real life GLOW vs Bash and Sam Silvia
— 15:58 - Wrestling injuries in documentary, but not in series
— 19:46 - The darker side of the wrestling industry
— 22:48 - Racial stereotypes / Empowerment
— 27:02 - White Feminism and Ruth as protagonist

The Leftovers

The Leftovers

The Leftovers - Season 3 Intro Music Analysis

Wednesday July 12, 2017 | Download episode

In Season 3 of The Leftovers, a different song is played over the opening credits sequence. Each one has thematic significance for the episode to come. We analyze the lyrics and the episode to decipher the links. We also mention a few of our other favorite songs throughout the series. (This is a spoiler-filled analysis episode. More to come for The Leftovers.)

Timestamps, by order of Season 3 songs:
— 1:31 - E1 No music
— 2:12 - E2 “Perfect Strangers” Intro
— 4:39 - E3 “Personal Jesus” Intro
— 7:40 - E4 “This Love is Over” Intro
— 8:35 - E4 “Take On Me” (3x)
— 11:40 - E5 Ashrei-themed Intro
— 14:00 - E5 Ashrei tribal version
— 14:31 - E6 “1-800 Suicide” Intro
— 16:34 - E7 “The Leftovers Main Title Theme” Intro
— 18:50 - Max Richter general appreciation
— 20:18 - E8 “Let the Mystery Be” Intro
— 21:14 - E8 Billie Holiday jazz songs

Castlevania

Castlevania

GLOW

GLOW

Insecure

Insecure

Master of None

Master of None

Sense8

Sense8

TV Roundup | GLOW, Master of None, Sense8, Castlevania, and Insecure

Friday July 7, 2017 | Download episode

We continue our discussion of GLOW, mention some things we liked about Master of None, and talk about the cancellation of Sense8.

We preview Castlevania and Friends from College on Netflix, and shoutout Insecure, which starts a week after Game of Thrones.

The Leftovers

The Leftovers

Is Nora Telling the Truth? | The Leftovers

Wednesday July 5, 2017 | Download episode

After watching the series finale of The Leftovers, you're left wondering: Is Nora telling the truth? Does she really travel to the other side and come back?

It's an ambiguous ending that's done right.

We break down the question into interesting sub-questions, bringing up details from throughout the season. And while we can't give you the definitive answer, we do take a leap of faith and tell you our own answers.

(This is a spoiler-filled analysis episode. More to come for The Leftovers.)

American Gods

American Gods

Attack on Titan

Attack on Titan

GLOW

GLOW

Rick and Morty

Rick and Morty

Silicon Valley

Silicon Valley

Veep

Veep

TV Roundup | Silicon Valley, Veep, Attack on Titan, American Gods, GLOW, and Rick and Morty

Friday June 30, 2017 | Download episode

It's a sad time for TV as we bid fond farewells to Silicon Valley, Veep, and Attack on Titan.

We also discuss American Gods, GLOW, and the Rick and Morty season 3 trailer.